Monday, 15 November 2010

How do the poets of "The Soldier" and "A life is a life" present their feelings?

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  1. in 'The soldier' Brooke demonstrates his feelings of war by portraying that the person in the poem would like to be remembered for what he did, so then he could be proud for his country and be remembered as a patriot.
    Rami portrays her feelings about the poem 'A life is a life' by showing it will never end, poor punctuation would show this and it also shows the emotion she put into it.

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  2. forgot to put any quotations in ^ :/

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  3. In ‘The Soldier’ Brooke demonstrates his feelings by showing his support for his country.
    “That is forever England”
    This quotation clearly tells us Brooke is for certain to stick by his country until the day he dies, using the word ‘Forever’ this proves that point. The word meaning for a limitless time.

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  4. In "The Soldier" the poet demonstrates that fighting for your country in war should be proud and loyal.
    "If I should die, think only this of me;
    that there's some corner of a foreign field
    That is forever England"
    This shows that he thinks wherever you died fighting for country, that place you died was forever english ground. The phrase, "should" implies that he knows there is a risk but a loyal one, because he is already eplaining how he wants to be remembered and what of and wherever he does die, that is England. The whole poem is explaining how loyal it is to fight possibly expressing his feelings as possitive feelings towards war.
    But in "A Life is a Life" the poet has a completely opposite view of war.
    "Surely you remember this; you have been here before, not so long ago, I fear"
    This implies that war is a never-ending subject. "You have been here before" is saying that you know war, you have seen it before this day. "I fear" the word "fear is a meaning of scare and fright. So the poet is explaining everyones/a individual persons fright over war.

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  5. In "The Soldier", Rupert Brooke shows that he believes it is a good and patriotic thing to die for your country:
    "If i should die, think this of me:" this quote shows that he is saying he is going to die and willing to fight for his country. The word "die" is used, this implies that war is a very life or death situation and not many people who go in will survive. The poet has also used alliteration "laughter, learned" this gives the poem an extra quality which emphisises the value of the sacrifice that the soldiers put themselves through. Rupert Brooke has a very positive attidute towards death in the poem, this could be him trying to send some kind of a message out towards the public.

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  6. In the poem “The Soldier”, Brooke expresses how he feels about fighting for the good of England:
    “That there’s some corner of a foreign field
    That is forever England. There shall be
    In that rich Earth a richer dust concealed”
    This demonstrates that at heart this country will always be England, but we still need to fight for the right of expressing that. In a way, this poem glorifies war. The word “forever” suggests that if Britain wins the war there will be no stopping us keeping everything how it should be. This encourages people to be proud and fight for their country to save it. Brooke is obviously not regretting his time in the army, ready to sacrifice himself for England. The rhyming structure of the quote above reads A, B, A. Every two lines rhyme, giving the poem rhythm and making it comfortable to read. However, in “A Life is a Life”, this is the complete opposite. The author deliberately makes the structure of the poem complicated to match the theme. There is no punctuation at the end of each line like there is in many poems including “The Soldier”; Rami seems to almost be ranting. Her anger and obvious beliefs supports this suggestion. Rami also mentions countries in her poem, but in a much different light to Brooke. Instead of being proud of the countries, she’s either pitying them or standing against them. Rami feels the war is not right and expresses so beautifully in her poetry.

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  7. How do the poets of "The Solider" and "A life is a life" present their feelings.
    In “The Solider”, Brooke shows that he thinks that it is a good thing to fight in the war and die for your country.
    “In hearts at peace, under English heaven.”
    This quote shows that Brooke believes it is a good thing to fight and die for your country. He shows this by using the quote “In hearts at peace”. This quote is saying that fighting in war for your country is a good thing and it will do better things in your life. It is also stating that by fighting in your country you will die a good way and you will also be in peace when you die. The word “Hearts” makes you want to fight for your country because you feel sorry for all the people that have lost family members through war. But on the other hand it can also mean that by fighting for your country your hearts are going to rest in peace because you are going to die ou

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  8. The poet “The Soldier” expresses his feelings of dying during war in a happy and joyful way:
    “That is forever England. There shall be
    In that rich earth a richer dust concealed;”
    This implies that Brooke believes that, although the results of war are ghastly, the fact that dying for such a great cause should out-rules all of this disaster. The word “richer” implies that he believes of himself gloriously greater that what the remains of the war bring. This implies that Brooke is trying to portray the message of victory and glory, no matter who wins when fighting. His use of repetition when he uses the words “rich” and “richer” demonstrates that he believes battle to be something which leads to better good. Notice this as he uses to repeat a positive word rather than a negative in his writing, and the lines in general generate the overall idea of goodness. On the other hand, in “A life is a life” Rami portray a negative view on war:
    “Pity the nation who thinks its self right; pity the people who forget how they died”
    This quote demonstrates that the poet’s hatred and loathing towards a nation by the way we choose to forget rather than learn. The word “pity” implies the lack of sympathy Rami has towards us. Her 3rd person context shows us that she is disassociating herself with the war she writes about, but also is trying to sway us too. The sheer opposite compared to Brooke’s view of war, who describes battle as a glorious thing which a society should be proud of; compared to Rami’s idea which conveys it as something of a failure. The two poets idea’s of war seem to be different, but their factual content remain to be a similarity.

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  9. In “the soldier” brooke thinks that it is good to go fight in the war and to defend your country:
    “in hearts at peace, under English heaven”
    This shows that brooke thinks that it is a good thing to fight for your country and also if you die you should be at rest and no more suffering because you have done your bit for your country. “hearts at peace” implies that all the soldiers that have died are all at rest because “peace” gives you the impression that there is no more suffering and the is no more battle and war. The rhyming pattern is ababcdcdfefgh so it is simarliar to a sonnet but it isn’t because the rhyming pattern near the end is irregular.

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  10. In “A life is a life” Rami shows the reader he is against the concept of the war and the heartless violence he believes is involved:
    “So this is your new holocaust, although you call it something else
    You split Gaza into three, herding the old and weak like cattle”
    This demonstrates that Rami believes that the war doesn’t only effect them directly involved, but also the people of the country. The fact that the country, that was once united through a bond of patriotism, has now been split due to the severe violence and hatred within the country shows that Rami is angry and upset by the country being split and slowly turning against each other The word “holocaust” implies violence and suffering showing that Rami is not in favour of the conflict. The use of punctuation shows that the war seems to be a never ending cycle of anger and devastation.

    Amelia - unfinished

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  11. How do the poets of “The Soldier and “A life is a life” present their feelings?

    The poet of “The Soldier” presents his feelings through this poem by using clever rhymes and by strongly praising the war:
    “In hearts at peace, under an English heaven.”
    This quote implies that going to war and fighting in the war is a very noble thing and that it is almost becoming an English heaven. The word “heaven” emphasises how Great War is and makes everything about war sound wonderful. On the other hand the poet of “A life is a Life.” (Not finished)

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  12. How do the poets of “The Soldier” and “A Life Is A Life” present their feelings?

    The poets in “The Soldier” and in “A Life Is A Life” both present to have very
    different opinions and feelings on war. The poet of “The Soldier” tells the reader that war is honourable and that soldiers that choose to fight in it will have a glorious reputation, even in death.
    “And think, this heart all evil shed away,
    A pulse in the eternal mind, no less”.
    This shows that Brooke believes that through all the hardship and the conflict of war, something good will come out of it in the end.

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  13. In “The Soldier,” Brooke demonstrates that he believes it is a proud and noble thing to die for your honoured country:
    “And laughter, learnt of friends: and gentleness,
    In hearts at peace, under an English heaven.”
    This shows us that Brooke believes a soldier who serves their land and country will be always thought of and remembered. The word “Hearts” implies that wherever someone may be, if in heaven or hell he will always be remembered from the centre of many people’s hearts. On the other hand in the poem “A life is a life,” the poet Rami shows us a much more bleak side ton war

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  14. In “The Soldier”, Brooke shows that he believes there is good in war and that a soldier should show pride in fighting for your country:
    “And Laughter, learnt of friends; and gentleness
    In hearts at peace, under a English heaven.”
    This Demonstrates that Brooke believes that when a soldier fights proudly for their country, their heart will be safe this is shown in the word “peace” expressing a gentle heart would be secure in “English heaven” this emphasises the love this poet has for his country. The word “gentleness” implies that Brooke thinks that being a solider dedicates a gentle being shown with gratitude. On the other hand in the poem “Life is a Life” Rami presents a hatred for war.

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  15. How do the poets of "The Soldier" and "A life is a life" present their feelings?


    In “The Soldier” Brooke clearly shows that he believes it is a good and noble thing to fight and die for your country:
    “In hearts at peace under an English heaven.”
    This shows that Brooke thinks that if a soldier is brave enough to give his life for his country, his heart will be at peace. Brooke says ‘English Heaven’ as if that is what the Soldier fought for so he will die and be there forever, happy, and at peace. The poet’s view to war is clearly shown as some thing to be proud of, some thing to share, and some thing worth dyeing for. However Rami’s view on war, is something to hate, that’s pointless, and stupid:
    “So this is your new holocaust, although you call it something else”
    The way that Rami uses the ‘holocaust’ makes the reader feel unsettled. As many know how horrible the holocaust is, it also has a refrance to why the war in palastine is going on.

    -Unfineshed-

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  16. In the poem ‘The Soldier’, Brook shows that his feelings for the casualties of war are ones of pride and satisfaction. He demonstrates that he thinks it is a noble thing to die for your country and that when you have done so, you have achieved something that can give you peace in the following life:
    “And think, this heart, all evil shed away,
    A pulse in the eternal mind, no less’
    This clearly shows that Brook believes soldiers are at peace when they die. The word ‘eternal’ implies that the peace and tranquillity of death will last forever. Also, the fact that the poet uses the word ‘pulse’ suggests that he believes that there is still harmonious life after death. On the other hand, in the poem ‘A life is a life’, Rami shows that she is not so content with the deaths caused by war:
    “You split Gaza into three, herding the old and weak like cattle”
    This clearly shows that Rami believes her people are being treated like animals and are being harassed into doing someone else’s bidding. The word ‘herding’ demonstrates the control over them; the control that means they cannot rest in the after life. The fact that Rami also talks about her own people shows that she is thinking about how others are affected by war.

    Katie

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  17. How do the poets of “The Soldier” and “A life is a Life” Present their feelings?

    In “The Soldier” Brooke demonstrates the pride one should take when having the honour to defend their country.
    “Washed by rivers, blest by the suns of home.
    And think, this heart, all evil shed away,”
    This quote indicates that his homeland is bountiful with calm rivers gently washing up onto the shores and there is no evil in this pure, idyllic haven we live in. The use of the word “suns” suggests that the country is so bountiful and gentle that God himself blessed them with multiple suns so they could always live in the light and never hide away in the dark. The rhyming scheme in Brooke’s poem is a standard A, B, A, B rhythm. This gives it a calm, steady aura and you are lulled into the words and tranquil peace. His intentions are clear; to give a positive view on war and that you should be proud to belong to that country. On the other hand, Rami shows an opposite view on war in “A life is a life”. He finds war a disgrace and no-one takes part in it unless they are complete barbarians.
    “You split Gaza into three, herding the old and weak like cattle”
    This quote shows that war is a gimmick. A trap for fools to walk into, and when they think their calling the shots, they’re actually just pawns’ of the leader. They are driven around like cattle and treated poorly and made to live in bad conditions. The word “herding” implies that they are given no control over what to do; they are simply following everyone else in a large group. There is a little bit of a rhyme scheme in “A life is a life”and it goes like this; A, B. After that in then stops unsettling the reader.

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  18. in "The soldier" Rupert broke demonstrates that he believes its a good thing to die for your county in war: "If i should die Think only this of me" This clearly tells us that Rupert feel when’s soldiers go to war they want to be remembered in a certain way not just a soldier that died in war buy a soldier that was fighting for there country and saving lives. The word "Die" is used to give the effect of that war is a life or death situation not many come out injured just Dead or Alive. The Poet also uses Alliteration "Laughter, Learned" This gives the poem an extra sense of quality and this further emphasises the sacrifice soldiers have to make or have already made. On the other hand is " A life is a Life" Margueite, young and old.Futhermore,The particular rhyme "war" and "more" are telling us that war is a never ending cycle it keeps going round in a circle again and again and again and that tragedies will never stop and people will keep dying

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  19. In “The soldier”, Brooke demonstrates that he believes dieing at war is a noble thing:
    “Her sights and sounds; dreams as happy as her day;
    And laughter learnt of friends; and gentleness;”
    This clearly shows Brooke’s belief that soldiers who die at war, still live in people’s memories. The word “dreams” implies that people are now living in an ideal world because of the soldiers and for that they will be remembered as heroes. As well as this, the punctuation at the end of each line implies that a life has ended and everything is how it should be. This further demonstrates Brooke’s beliefs. The honourable view of war in the poem is evidence of Brooke trying to increase morale during wartime and could have been used as propaganda during wartime.
    On the other hand, In “A life is a life” Rami demonstrates a much more negative view of war:
    “Herding the old and weak like cattle”
    This clearly presents Rami’s idea that war is often unfair, by mentioning the most vulnerable people affected by war. The word “Herding” further emphasises on this point by implying that the people don’t have a chance to fight back and that it is just another task for the opposition. It also shows how they aren’t thinking about the lives that they are destroying. The lack of punctuation at the end of lines stops the poem from getting into a steady rhythm and implies how war will never end. Rami’s use of the word “weak” and Brooke’s use of the word “happy” are in great contrast, especially when you compare the context of the poems.

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  20. How do the poets of “The soldier” and “A life is a life” present their feelings about the casualties of war?

    In “The soldier” the poet creates a glorifying and encouraging view of war and services in conflict:
    “Her sights and sounds; dream happy as her day.
    In hearts at peace, under an English heaven.”
    This demonstrates that Brooke believes that is pure spite of all death and destruction, tranquillity and peacefulness will triumph in eth long term. Although this view is rather optimistic and the language chosen is unlike anything that most would relate to the horror and upsetting concept that is known as war. However the structure of the text, and the use of strong powerful but short phrase forces this positive and heart warming view upon the reader as at the same time the fears they may have previously had for those who die is conflict fade away. The word “Heaven” Uses people views on religion convince them that this view is justified. This makes an even stronger reassuring feel to the poem that encourages people to attempt to achieve the glory and nobility that war could provide them with. Despite the fact that death and obliteration is usually related to a hellish side of reality peoples longing to achieve a place in heaven at death is encouraged to drive them to serve their country. The alliteration of “sights and sounds” makes this particular phrase memorable and helps people to understand what an experience for all senses that war can be.
    On the other hand, in the poem “a life is a life” the poet creates and Hellish and sinful view on war which perhaps in eh present day we are more familiar with,
    “we see for fourteen you kill nine hundred, are yours worth so much more
    Then all the weeping of Palestine, who cannot fight an equal war”
    This quote shows that Rami is claiming that Brooke longing for remembrance cannot be fulfilled. So many casualties in the quote that it’s openness makes the reader see on their own how optimistic and illogical the idea of remembrance really is. The word “Weeping” Shows that a whole country is being affected in a negative way emotionally be the war, instantly crushing any view that war in away could contain glory.
    Unfinished : )

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  21. Celia - unfinished15 November 2010 at 10:07

    In “The Soldier” Brooke shows that he believes that dieing for your country is a noble thing to do:
    “A body of England’s, breathing English air,
    Washed by the rivers, blest by suns of home.”
    This openly demonstrates that Brooke believes that he is proud to have fought for his country so, he hopes that people will remember him as a brave person.

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  22. How do the poets of “The Soldier” and “A life is a Life” Present their feelings?

    In “The Soldier” Brooke demonstrates the pride one should take when having the honour to defend their country.
    “Washed by rivers, blest by the suns of home.
    And think, this heart, all evil shed away,”
    This quote indicates that his homeland is bountiful with calm rivers gently washing up onto the shores and there is no evil in this pure, idyllic haven we live in. The use of the word “suns” suggests that the country is so bountiful and gentle that God himself blessed them with multiple suns so they could always live in the light and never hide away in the dark. The rhyming scheme in Brooke’s poem is a standard A, B, A, B rhythm. This gives it a calm, steady aura and you are lulled into the words and tranquil peace. His intentions are clear; to give a positive view on war and that you should be proud to belong to that country. On the other hand, Rami shows an opposite view on war in “A life is a life”. He finds war a disgrace and no-one takes part in it unless they are complete barbarians.
    “You split Gaza into three, herding the old and weak like cattle”
    This quote shows that war is a gimmick. A trap for fools to walk into, and when they think their calling the shots, they’re actually just pawns’ of the leader. They are driven around like cattle and treated poorly and made to live in bad conditions. The word “herding” implies that they are given no control over what to do; they are simply following everyone else in a large group. There is a little bit of a rhyme scheme in “A life is a life”and it goes like this; A, B. After that in then stops unsettling the reader.

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